Elm Grove Parking Consultation

Consultation 1One of the local ward councillors, Matt Follett, has been working with local residents to look at improving the access, safety and the environmental issues caused by parking in Elm Grove.
Although no official permission or regulation has been passed to allow cars to park offroad on the pavement or hardened verge of Elm Grove, this has been common practice for many years. However, as car ownership increases, the volume of vehicles parked on the pavement in these roads has also increased.

 

The issues include:
• cars driving along the pavement
• cars causing obstructions by parking next to pedestrian dropped kerbs and bus stops
• cars parking right up to the junctions on the pavement, reducing visibility for cars pulling out or turning into side roads

The lack of enforcement on cars parked behind the double yellow lines  makes it difficult to enforce other breaches in Elm Grove and the adjacent streets at the moment.
We have been working with local residents to try to address these issues. We have carried out vehicle and pedestrian counts, and discussed driver behaviour as part of our working group, which included residents from Elm Grove and adjacent roads.
We believe a scheme making general environmental improvements to Elm Grove could help relieve the issues around pavementparking, and would like your views.

The proposals include installing designated free parking areas alongside other improvements to make Elm Grove a more people-friendly environment, such as providing benches or re-instating grass verges.
If the results of this consultation are positive, we’ll then need to identify funding to carry out the work over the next couple of years.
Our intention will be to enforce against parking adjacent to double yellow lines either on the road or on the pavement. If there is not public support for the improvements, we will give residents and local businesses plenty of notice before beginning any parking enforcement. This would only take place where there are existing double yellow lines and bus stop clearways,
and would include cars parked on the hardened verge/pavement or carriageway. No new lining will be introduced.

Questionaires have been sent out to addresses inthe area, and an online questionaire can be completed on the council website at the consultation portal. Additional copies of the questionaire can be downloaded using the links at the foot of this page. If you require more information before filling in the questionnaire, please email owen.mcelroy@brighton-hove.gov.uk or telephone 01273 293693

There will be a further formal traffic order consultation stage if the scheme is taken forward. This will allow you to comment further.

4461 Elm Grove Parking Consultation – r7

4461 Elm Grove Parking Questionnaire – r2

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6 thoughts on “Elm Grove Parking Consultation

  1. ‘Although no official permission or regulation has been passed to allow cars to park offroad on the pavement or hardened verge of Elm Grove, this has been common practice for many years.’

    When will people understand that this ‘common practice’ is not illegal? No ‘official permission or regulation’ need be passed to allow pavement parking; a regulation would need to be passed to outlaw it.

    May I suggest that where a vehicle – for example that big van in the glossy flyer above which is parked (in a dedicated parking space, not on the pavement) right on top of a junction – is parked illegally or inconsiderately, the existing law be enforced?

    Of course, enforcing the perfectly sensible and long-standing laws we already have would cost money rather than generate income for the council but I am absolutely certain that is not a consideration for a council which is able to spend £1.5 million on a huge 20 mph zone which, er, is not being enforced.

    Finally, may I take this opportunity to thank the council for recently freeing up further parking space on Elm Grove by doing away with the mobile library.

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    • Thanks Stephen – yes it is correct to state that there is little in law to prevent cars parking on pavements unless they are causing an obstruction, except where other restrictions – for Elm Grove this is double yellow lines – are in place. One objective of the current proposals is to untangle the parking provision so that existing laws can be clearly understood and appropriately enforced and I don’t think there are plans to introduce any further restrictions other than enforcement of existing laws.

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      • Excellent points. As we have an opportunity to get rid of at least one of these clowns in the election next month can anyone point me to any data on tactical voting that will ensure there is no green for green replacement.

        I’m afraid I’ll have to abstain if there’s ony BNP/UKIP/Tory alternatives but I’ll vote for pretty much anyone else who isn’t a Green and (please god) will get rid of parking restrictions where they’re not for (real) safety reasons and/or roll back other pay-to-stop-your-engine policies.

        I’ve spent decades pushing for greener politics but this lot have just turned it into a war on car use. Utterly destroyed all faith I had in them being an alternative – they’re just another council like London’s Westminister.

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  2. Thanks for your comments John. To be clear though, there is NO mention of a residents parking scheme as part of this proposal. This consultation leads directly from decisions made by the working party last year to work with residents in developing streetscape improvements which would regularise parking and improve the area, so this is not ‘asking the same issue’ but rather continuing a conversation in the fashion agreed by the working group.

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    • Completely disingenuous. The point is that the more parking that is removed from anywhere in the city (eg benches that no-one wants to sit on and grass for dog toilets), the more pressure there is on the remaining parking spaces in the city. Therefore residents, unable to park near their home, are more likely to opt for ‘reserving’ parking by voting for a residents’ parking scheme.

      Whenever I’ve tried to ‘consult’ with councillors to remove restrictions on empty parking spaces (eg Hove seafront) I’ve been told it’s another area we can’t talk about it. I’d be interested to know how many unrestricted car parking spaces have been created in the city since the Greens got power. They would rather have empty spaces on the road and make people pay to use NCP and parking meters.

      Eventually they will succeed in stopping cars entering the city (unless driven by the rich who are exempt from Green rules). This will then lead to the rest of the city’s small businesses going under.

      Driving into town to buy anything now has a parking tax added on to the purchase. This is the reason people shop out of town or on the internet. It will end up with a town full of bikes and buses with nowhere to go, no-one to repair buildings, etc.

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  3. The proposal (yet another chunk of money spent by the Green party asking the same issue again and again) doesn’t mention how many spaces will be lost and the collateral movement of parking to other areas.

    This is a naked attempt to force paid for residents’ parking on the area by increasing the pressure on spaces.

    If you think residents’ parking schemes are a good idea I suggest you think about whether you will be awarded a permit (not every house will get one), the limit to permits (one per house if awarded) and the increase in charges over the next few years (mentioned in the Argus as they’ve reduced charges (that were putting London Road traders out of business) that will come when they try to get the money from elsewhere.

    Hove seafront is completely empty (and metered). Make it free (and some other areas) and we wouldn’t have a parking problem.

    The Green party also didn’t reply to a question about their stance on CCTV. This will lead to more cameras watching everything we do (in and out of vehicles). They’ve set the cyclists against the car users when we should all just share the common spaces. Divide and rule – typcal political behaviour.

    I was in the working party for this ‘debate’ and it was clear from the beginning the Green part were going to try to push this through by any means possible.

    As a vegetarian, organic gardening, recycler for over 30 years I would never, ever vote for this party again.

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