Elm Grove Parking Meeting: 12th October 2011
The meeting was chaired by Councillor Matt Follett, who started by welcoming Christina Liassides – Head of Highway Operations at the council. Christina restated the aims of the recent enforcement proposals along Elm grove:
- Solely about pavement parking where a double yellow line was in force
- Not impacting on parts of Elm Grove without double yellow lines
- Nothing to do with implementation of a control parking zone
- No new double yellows planned
- No new enforcement powers planned, just the application of existing powers
- Only one other road in Brighton & Hove tolerated pavement parking alongside double yellow lines
Christina was asked about accident statistics and undertook to make the information she had available (this will be posted at www.heglat.wordpress.com )
The meeting then split into two groups. Group A; for people who were mostly concerned about obstruction and danger of the current situation and favoured enforcement and other measures to regulate parking. Group B included those supportive of pavement parking and mostly concerned about where vehicles would be put should enforcement of pavement parking around double yellow lines be implemented.
Both group then held separate discussion in different rooms which aimed to get a shared view on their main concerns and to consider the situation form the perspective of others.
The notes below were presented by each group, and don’t necessarily reflect the full discussion held by each
1. Group A
1. What are the most important issues or problems which need resolving?
Safety: Pedestrians crossing Elm Grove and crossing side roads and cars and cyclists pulling out have real visibility problems because of cars parked up to around junctions on the road and pavement.
Access: Pedestrian access on the pavements on Elm Grove can be seriously obstructed by pavement parking.
Danger: Driving on and along the pavement is a hazard – especially parallel parking on the pavement as cars can get blocked in and need to drive some distance along the pavement to get back to the road. Also parking around pedestrian crossings and traffic signals on the pavement is a hazard.
Questions/requests for further information:
a) Where SHOULDN’T people park? i.e where is pavement parking wholly unacceptable (Junctions/crossings/ narrow pavements)
b) Where are the current yellow line restrictions?
Are the hazards a) and the yellow lines b) in the same place? Do we need to review the placement of double yellows to ensure that they serve a useful function and are in the right place?
c) What is the status of ‘non motor vehicles’ parked on the pavement – i.e. trailers or caravans?
a) Explore the potential of ‘echelon’ parking (diagonal parking on part of the pavement accessed directly from the road) rather than parallel pavement parking (vehicles parked wholly on the pavement parallel to the road) as an arrangement less hazardous and obstructive to users of the pavement.
b) Extend the use of bollards/cycle stands to protect the pavement
c) Consider ‘community signage’ lamp posts etc… ‘Please park considerately…’
2. Group B
1. What is the ‘problem behaviour?’
- Enforcement of 20mph zones
- Parking attendants/no parking attendents (consistency of enforcement/risk of legal challenge)
- Police parking enforcement of obstructions
Driving on the pavement
- Legal parking placeses/bays
- Street Furniture
- Yellow line placement
- Resident parking places
- Long term parking (Camper vans and car sales)
- Surrounding CPZ’s
- Business impact
- Bus stops reducing visibility
2. What are some solutions?
- Parking bays – Chevron (Prescribed widths)
- Efficient parking on surrounding streets
- Bollards to separate pavement from parking
- Reverse parking from chevron
- Roadside bays
- Combine speed reduction with off street parking
- Budget Guidance
- Obtain CPZ proposals
- Reducing longterm parked vehicles
3 Spare capacity for parking in the area?
Student parking (Southover Street)
Brighton General (evenings/nights)
Queens Park CPZ
4. Street furniture and yellow line placement
Bollards driving behind
Yellow lines – over zealous placement
Encourage civil parking
3. Summary and next steps
Although clear differences remain around the priorities for vehicle management on Elm Grove and the merits of various solutions, this exercise illustrated the amount of common ground – particularly around the issues of danger and obstruction – which exist between those with differing and often opposing views on this subject.
It was agreed that a second meeting should be held on Tuesday November 8th – hopefully at Elm Grove School, but this will be confirmed. At this meeting more detail will be provided around the current parking capacity and extent of restrictions and some of the other issues raised and detailed above.